Thande
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A frustratingly vague reference in this Wikipedia article...
Anyone have any more information on this?
Anyone have any more information on this?
Russian Hawaii?!
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MrP
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Does it have anything on the Delightful and Instructive Customs of the Indigenous Peoples of X?
It probably has Instructive And Educational Information On The Peoples Of The North American Continent (Indigenous).
I don't think the population data's any later than 1940. It's a delightful window into the past!
Thande
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It probably has Instructive And Educational Information On The Peoples Of The North American Continent (Indigenous).
I don't think the population data's any later than 1940. It's a delightful window into the past!
I have the Arthur Mee Children's Encyclopaedia circa 1950 and I have to agree
I like the way they're so positive about everything. Even Communism is a Jolly Good Notion providing it stays over there in Russia The only thing they're negative about is the Nazis.David S Poepoe
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From A. Grove Day's History Makers of Hawaii:
Scheffer, Georg Anton (1779-1836)
...Reinforced by three Russian ships and their crews, Scheffer withdrew to the island of Kauai. There King Kaumualii - who had promised Kamehameha in 1810 that after his death his realm would become a part of the kingdom of the conqueror - on May 21, 1816, signed a treasonous document putting Kauai under the protection of Czar Alexander Pavlovich of Russia. The Czar's flag flew over part of the Hawaiian Island for the folowing year. Scheffer built a stronghold, Fort Elizabeth, at Waimea and the breastworks in the valley of Hanalei. He had, however, aroused the fears of Kamehameha, as well as the antagonism of American ship captains, who feared that Russia would monopolize the profitable sandalwood trade. In May 1917, Kaumualii renounced the filibusters, the Russian ships were sent away empty, and on July 7 Scheffer left for Macao on an American vessel. The acts of Scheffer were disowned by Otto von Kotzebue during his 1916 visit to the islands. The Czar ignored the benefits of a protectorate over Kauai and in June, 1918, authorized only normal trade releations; thereafter the shadow of a possible Russian colony in the Northern Pacific was removed."
Scheffer, Georg Anton (1779-1836)
...Reinforced by three Russian ships and their crews, Scheffer withdrew to the island of Kauai. There King Kaumualii - who had promised Kamehameha in 1810 that after his death his realm would become a part of the kingdom of the conqueror - on May 21, 1816, signed a treasonous document putting Kauai under the protection of Czar Alexander Pavlovich of Russia. The Czar's flag flew over part of the Hawaiian Island for the folowing year. Scheffer built a stronghold, Fort Elizabeth, at Waimea and the breastworks in the valley of Hanalei. He had, however, aroused the fears of Kamehameha, as well as the antagonism of American ship captains, who feared that Russia would monopolize the profitable sandalwood trade. In May 1917, Kaumualii renounced the filibusters, the Russian ships were sent away empty, and on July 7 Scheffer left for Macao on an American vessel. The acts of Scheffer were disowned by Otto von Kotzebue during his 1916 visit to the islands. The Czar ignored the benefits of a protectorate over Kauai and in June, 1918, authorized only normal trade releations; thereafter the shadow of a possible Russian colony in the Northern Pacific was removed."
Thande
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Thank you, although I assume the dates in the last part of the paragraph were supposed to be 18-- not 19--.
Thande
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Well, the early 19th century did produce some marvellously unlikely sounding colonial possibilities, most of which dried up...
True. I remember something about the Austro-Hungarian Empire possibly getting Brunei?
David S Poepoe
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No, he just lived a very long time. Damn secretary.
The problem, among others, with Russian Hawaii is that once Russia starts pulling back from Northern California and later sells Alaska, Russian interests in the Pacific pretty much end. The main reason is that Russia is expanding into Central Asia and still has so much of Siberia to exploit. Its very much as if merchantile expansion is cast aside for government directed expansion. Alaska was profitable for the Russian-American Company. Its not a case of short sightedness on the part of the Tsar's government, but more immediate returns.
I know some Hungarian explorer was crowned king of at least part of Madagascar... Plus, the Knights of St. John, the Holy Roman Empire, and some small duchy in the Baltics (the name escapes me) all had stakes in the Caribbean.
Thande
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They even had an American colony in the 17th century!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courland_colonisation_of_the_Americas
In all fairness, Slovakia was part of the kingdom of Hungary at the time.
Die infidel! It was great Slovak adventurer Mauric Beňovský!!!